too slow ?

[ninjastunter]

i have had 1 yr on a bike in my whole life as of today...i always listen to peoples advice <most of the time> about stuntin,but seems maybee too much.mosh and some others preach <take it slow> with wheelies,ect.i have 8.5 k miles experience and can only POP wheelies,not even close to bp yet.or even ride em out for that matter.......im taking it too slow or maybee just not ment to stunt ? or get some more balls and let it rip ? i think maybee this is where squids get farther in the stunt world.i only pop wheelies when the time is perfect...no cars behind me,no wind gusts,nice pavement,no cops,no endangerment to others,ect................like ricksta,i read about him blowin by people in his own lane with wheelies in peoples face,ect <not pickin on ya man> and cant help to wonder if thats the way to go....kamakazi style ?

[SideShow]

I hear ya.I'm tryin to find the balance point on mah kids dirtbike before I do on my street bike.

[HELLBENT]

ride ur owen pace , just like raceing and stunting alike, do what is good for you,every body likes a good wheelie , but dont get hurt trying to get them the best ,not worth smashing the bike or you

[ninjastunter]

I hear ya.I'm tryin to find the balance point on mah kids dirtbike before I do on my street bike.
how long you been doing that ?

[BUSAFAN]

i tried doing donuts on the busa, started out slow got better and better and
then it happend i was with my brother and said hey watch what i can do,
and there i was laying on the ground, bike 30ft away all scraped up! so take your time and be as careful as you can!! good luck:biker:

[Russ]

My biggest fear is wrecking my new bike. If i had a stunt piece it would be game on.

[Murphy_DX]

i have had 1 yr on a bike in my whole life as of today...i always listen to peoples advice <most of the time> about stuntin,but seems maybee too much.mosh and some others preach <take it slow> with wheelies,ect.i have 8.5 k miles experience and can only POP wheelies,not even close to bp yet.or even ride em out for that matter.......im taking it too slow or maybee just not ment to stunt ? or get some more balls and let it rip ? i think maybee this is where squids get farther in the stunt world.i only pop wheelies when the time is perfect...no cars behind me,no wind gusts,nice pavement,no cops,no endangerment to others,ect................like ricksta,i read about him blowin by people in his own lane with wheelies in peoples face,ect <not pickin on ya man> and cant help to wonder if thats the way to go....kamakazi style ?
dont worry i can only pop it...it is mostly balls that will get you there...cuz the more time i do it the more experience i get and the better at it i become.....and the more ballsy too...so every time i can get it higher and higher...

[BusaKiller]

I thought the same thing and it ended up costing me about 3k in hospital bills and 500$ in repairs on my old bike. So use your own judgement.

[ninjastunter]

i programed myself to cover rear brake,front brake and clutch every second im on my bike.i feal like my pointer finger always covering front brake is holding me back from higher rpms when i slip it.....i tried popin a wheelie with front brake not covered and man it feals sooo different <i dont like it for some reason i feal off balance from just one fingers differance> anybody else feal like this ? anybody ever try them quarter turn throttle mods ?

[RICO]

I think you have the right Idea. Take your time and do it when its safe. No need to wad the bike up.

If its my first time riding with you and you do a wheelie in my lane passing me, that will be the last time i ride with you.

[ninjastunter]

I thought the same thing and it ended up costing me about 3k in hospital bills and 500$ in repairs on my old bike. So use your own judgement.
.......i love that funkin bike you got <cant wait to get one> and cant help but to wonder if i had got tha 14 instead of 636 if i would even be starting this cant get it up thread !.........i sound like a old man haha

[moke]

Their is a big difference between power wheelies and slow speed stunt wheelies. I think the power wheelies take less skill, not to mislead anyone here cuz they do have there dangers. But I actually might have to give it up on this one to the stunters. When they do wheelies they are trying to keep them up when a Racer wheelies hes trying to stay on the power but set it down as quick as possiable because if too long in the air he looses time! Which looses races a stunter on the other hand wins when he keeps it up the longest.......think I just coined a stunt phrase???? probly see it on a shirt?

[HELLBENT]

wins when he keeps it up the longest

[ninjastunter]

Their is a big difference between power wheelies and slow speed stunt wheelies. I think the power wheelies take less skill, not to mislead anyone here cuz they do have there dangers. But I actually might have to give it up on this one to the stunters. When they do wheelies they are trying to keep them up when a Racer wheelies hes trying to stay on the power but set it down as quick as possiable because if too long in the air he looses time! Which looses races a stunter on the other hand wins when he keeps it up the longest.......think I just coined a stunt phrase???? probly see it on a shirt?
i agree...thats why im learnin slow,stock wheelies first.....i wana concour harder stuff first so high speed wheelies will be cake when the time comes.........

[moke]

Like I Said High Speed Easy,... Slow Speed Hard...er!

Go To The Track And Youll Give Up The Street Thing? Besides Wheelies Lose The Race Not Win It?
Once You Learn How To Turn,.... You Wont Even Care To Wheelie Anymore!

[ninjastunter]

Like I Said High Speed Easy,... Slow Speed Hard...er!

Go To The Track And Youll Give Up The Street Thing? Besides Wheelies Lose The Race Not Win It?
Once You Learn How To Turn,.... You Wont Even Care To Wheelie Anymore!
i got this philosophy from watching my son play with his toy motorcycle that rides wheelies..the wind up kind.When it takes off it rides fine till it slows down a little then it dumps and the plastic rider guy falls off and bike crashes......pretty simple concept i would say

[moke]

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[SideShow]

i got this philosophy from watching my son play with his toy motorcycle that rides wheelies..the wind up kind.When it takes off it rides fine till it slows down and a little then it dumps and the plastic rider guy falls off and bike crashes......pretty simple concept i would say

lol you should bring dat toy to a stunt meet and explain in person :)

[ninjastunter]

lol you should bring dat toy to a stunt meet and explain in person :)
i would have to bring him also.....he would be pissed if i took his bike away <im shure we can all relate to that>.....anyways i was just saying with higher speeds its easier for a bike to balance doing a wheelie,slower speeds=its more likely to fall.

[Darkshear]

Fear is a powerful thing, it can help you grow or stop you in your tracks.

I'm scared to death to do anything like that on my bike. If I wad it, there's no way I can afford to repair it, probably for many months.

But I know if I don't take hold of the fear, it will own my riding. Those that fear don't try, those that don't try won't be prepared. For example, I push my car as hard as it can go, and test all of it's limits. I know exactly how far I can push the tires before they loose traction. I think it's important to do the same on my bike, because if I'm ever placed in a situation where some kind of accident avoidance is needed, I'll be better prepared to react to it instead of freezing up and just slamming the rear brake and ending up, well, you know.

Like these guys said, it's important to only do what you're comfortable with, but don't ever stop trying to improve yourself, the fear is supposed to happen.

[ninjastunter]

Fear is a powerful thing, it can help you grow or stop you in your tracks.

I'm scared to death to do anything like that on my bike. If I wad it, there's no way I can afford to repair it, probably for many months.

But I know if I don't take hold of the fear, it will own my riding. Those that fear don't try, those that don't try won't be prepared. For example, I push my car as hard as it can go, and test all of it's limits. I know exactly how far I can push the tires before they loose traction. I think it's important to do the same on my bike, because if I'm ever placed in a situation where some kind of accident avoidance is needed, I'll be better prepared to react to it instead of freezing up and just slamming the rear brake and ending up, well, you know.

Like these guys said, it's important to only do what you're comfortable with, but don't ever stop trying to improve yourself, the fear is supposed to happen....no fear could get you killed,so i agree...lots of gear and protection builds false sense of security so be careful of that one also...goodluck

[LeMans]

A Ninja is not the best bike to start learning these things IMHO.
Lots of power to get you hurt and the repair bill is going to be steep if you crash it.
If it's your only bike you could have to give up riding for weeks/months while fixing it.

Why not get a dirtbike, dual sport or SM to learn the basics?
Even AC Farias started that way.

[ninjastunter]

A Ninja is not the best bike to start learning these things IMHO.
Lots of power to get you hurt and the repair bill is going to be steep if you crash it.
If it's your only bike you could have to give up riding for weeks/months while fixing it.

Why not get a dirtbike, dual sport or SM to learn the basics?
Even AC Farias started that way.
thought about learning on a dirtbike,but too many people say its just not tha same....was gona try harder on something weak like my friends cbr 600,but he wouldnt let me.....whats a SM ?

[LeMans]

I'm NOT a stunter but I don't think it's that different...
A SM with its 17 inch wheels would probably be your best bet though.

SM = Supermoto = dirt bike modified for the street with 17 inch rims etc.
Watch the video to see how Ryan Moore stunts his.
I think he could do that on any bike he wants to.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3NVZrN4MPMs

[Reckless01]

Ok lets go over a few things.

You said: like ricksta,i read about him blowin by people in his own lane with wheelies in peoples face,ect <not pickin on ya man> and cant help to wonder if thats the way to go....kamakazi style ?

I Say: That is fawkin dangerous! No harm intended man but when I was stunting this was a good way to get your ass kicked at the next red light! Say you pass a rider minding his own business in a lane and you hit him, now what?! Dangerous, squidly and just not kool.

You said: i always listen to peoples advice <most of the time> about stuntin,but seems maybe too much.mosh and some others preach <take it slow> with wheelies,ect

I say: Thats good sound advice, listen closely! Now what he means is to take the LEARNING process slowly not the speed! In other words he means to pop it up and set it down and each time carry it further and further till you get a grasp on balancing a wheelie!

You said: i have 8.5 k miles experience and can only POP wheelies,not even close to bp yet.or even ride em out for that matter.......im taking it too slow or maybee just not meant to stunt ?

I say: Mileage don't matter, its skill level and how you get there! Taking things slow and learning is par for the course! Its like trying to walk, kids don't just jump up at birth and walk! No one was MEANT to stunt, things just happen that make people interested in it!

You said: cant help to wonder if thats the way to go....kamakazi style ?

I say: If you want to end up in a hospital thats a great way to go. When I was learning to ride I hung out with people ABOVE my skill level and asked THEM questions. People like Kyle Woods, and Greg from Geared Up, Diggity from PBR etc... This is how you learn QUALITY skills. They have taken the spills and learned. Sometimes watching the parking lot hero who runs 110mph rev limiter warp 3 wheelies just Isn't the way to go.

Now that being said no offense was meant to ANYONE in this thread I just calls em as I sees em. Everyone can be good if they just practice. How do you think these pro's get good? They don't work 10hrs/day and then practice for 30 mins on Sunday ill tell you that. If you want to get good you will have to earn it like the rest of us did. It hurts and road rash will become a close friend but you'll get good! Either way man just go at your own pace and learn, you will be just fine! Pro's all started out on the rev limiter with 110 mph warp 3 wheelies, some of them just progressed further.

[Reckless01]

A Ninja is not the best bike to start learning these things IMHO.
Lots of power to get you hurt and the repair bill is going to be steep if you crash it.
If it's your only bike you could have to give up riding for weeks/months while fixing it.

Why not get a dirtbike, dual sport or SM to learn the basics?
Even AC Farias started that way.

The ninja is a nice bike and I know several people who stunt them. And repair bills are a thing you are going to have to deal with once you decide to pop that clutch! Remember that before you go out playing, it takes about 6 seconds of that bike bouncing along the pavement to put you out of a bike! Ask Davis he knows all too well!

[BUSAFAN]

.......i love that funkin bike you got <cant wait to get one> and cant help but to wonder if i had got tha 14 instead of 636 if i would even be starting this cant get it up thread !.........i sound like a old man haha
:sinister: i think this need's to be refered to a doc.:sinister:

[Fictionnn]

8.5 K of experiance WTF!!!

dude you shouldnt even be trying to wheelie yet. you dont even know your own bike yet. I have been riding for 3 years and i still cant even "properly" do a wheelie (im getting better but still).

Why dont you take a break and LEARN other aspects of riding before you go and kill your self.

Not tryin to be rude but you are new to this sport and as much as you think you know trust me when i tell you that you have A LOT more to learn.

[mosh69]

Okay, lottsa good AND BAD information in this thread.
I'm still a complete novice at this stunt thing but I feel like I've been patient and as dedicated as I'm willing to be, yet still been down enough times to know that sometimes that's what it takes as well.
I'm just gonna touch on a few things to piggyback Reckless.
He was 100% right when he said what I meant with take it slow was be patient. Everyone who starts practicing and eventually nails a bp wheelie started out doing 100mph highway wheelies.
Moke you say the slow stuff is more technical, harder, more impressive, etc.
That may or may not be true, just like some people may be impressed with high speed action, others slow parking lot stuff.
It's usually a whole other level of stunting that usually requires a whole different bike setup (60 tooth sprocket, hand brake, etc.).
Pretty much "Apples and Oranges".
Look at Hector or myself, slowing down by the week!! It's a progression.
Fictionn just cause you haven't progressed at a level you're happy with doesn't mean another man or child won't.
Look at Aaron Colton-14 yrs old rocks a fiddy for "6 MONTHS" and gets on an F4 and by the end of the day he was scraping the bar, doing high chairs!!!
Adam (Ninjastunter), you need to be cautious and careful bro.
But you need to be diligent in ure pursuit (unlike Fictionn-sorry bro).
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
Dicking around here and there on ure way to the grocery or gym or a few wheelies on the north run do not equal practice!!!!!
You need to spend hours consistently, "At least" every Sunday.
I've been throwing stunt meets every single Sunday for over 2 months and Chris you've been to what 2??? And Adam 1???
Look how fast Irie surfer progressed in 2-3 weeks???? Not by sitting on the computer asking questions. Questions are great man, but come hangt out with the cats that are doing it every single week and really learn.
Now we're starting to get some guys out there that are willing to take the time to teach who actually know what they're talking about!!!
Hope to see all you guys tomorrow!!!
BE SAFE-COME STUNT IN A SAFE NVIRONMENT

[LeMans]

The ninja is a nice bike and I know several people who stunt them. And repair bills are a thing you are going to have to deal with once you decide to pop that clutch!

It's not about which bike to stunt, it's about which bike to learn on.
The Ninja is a nice bike but like all other sportbikes any little mishap is going to cost you a fortune to fix.
Same little mishap on a SM = pick-up the bike and go.
Maybe you'll break a lever or bend a handlebar if you try hard enough.
If one absolutely want to learn on a sportbike just buy a beater, don't learn to stunt on your everyday ride.

Just my 02 cents as usual... it's not my wallet after all!

BTW the guy below started on dirtbikes before becoming euro and world champion.
He isn't too shabby on a Ninja either :D

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/ilsrwy27/Miscellaneous/Others/AC_Farias_05_02.jpg

[ninjastunter]

i just gota take it slow i guess,im just too anxios to get to that bp i guess....i have been listening to your advice still mosh and working on riding tha wheelie out a lil bit at a time.....i expected stunters to say <dont be a ***** or im not ment to stunt,but you all have been a good help in letting me know its a slow transition and that what im doing is normal..........thanx n hope to see everybody in tha morning

[mosh69]

i just gota take it slow i guess,im just too anxios to get to that bp i guess....i have been listening to your advice still mosh and working on riding tha wheelie out a lil bit at a time.....i expected stunters to say <dont be a ***** or im not ment to stunt,but you all have been a good help in letting me know its a slow transition and that what im doing is normal..........thanx n hope to see everybody in tha morning
Dude it took me a year to keep it up for any real distance, and that was before I started practicing every Sunday for hours at a time.
Now, 2 months later I'm so much better-but still suck!!
Read my sig, it's sooo true!!
The best thing is to hear you're gonna committ to spending some time tomorrow practicing, talking, listening and learning.
Trust me, you'll see real quick who to listen to and who to ignore in this game.

[RickyNo]

ive got 10k on my bike right now. at first i swore i wouldnt do wheelies on this bike but when it powered up all the time when i nailed it i really wanted to learn. i thought that what better way to know your bike then having and knowing proper throttle control?!?! i dont think starting out slow is the easiest thing to do and not the smartest with a brand new bike. save it for a beater. i started out with 1st gear clutch ups behind kmart goin like 20mph. just gotta work your way up i guess.

[moke]

Fear is a powerful thing, it can help you grow or stop you in your tracks.

I'm scared to death to do anything like that on my bike. If I wad it, there's no way I can afford to repair it, probably for many months.

But I know if I don't take hold of the fear, it will own my riding. Those that fear don't try, those that don't try won't be prepared. For example, I push my car as hard as it can go, and test all of it's limits. I know exactly how far I can push the tires before they loose traction. I think it's important to do the same on my bike, because if I'm ever placed in a situation where some kind of accident avoidance is needed, I'll be better prepared to react to it instead of freezing up and just slamming the rear brake and ending up, well, you know.

Like these guys said, it's important to only do what you're comfortable with, but don't ever stop trying to improve yourself, the fear is supposed to happen.

+1 very true!

[Fictionnn]

Fictionn just cause you haven't progressed at a level you're happy with doesn't mean another man or child won't.
Look at Aaron Colton-14 yrs old rocks a fiddy for "6 MONTHS" and gets on an F4 and by the end of the day he was scraping the bar, doing high chairs!!!
Adam (Ninjastunter), you need to be cautious and careful bro.
But you need to be diligent in ure pursuit (unlike Fictionn-sorry bro).

Look man dont call me out on this. Aaron Colton worked his way up he didnt just jump on a huge bike and start scrapin around. And of course im not that diligent about wheelies its more of another aspect i would like to learn rather than the only thing i want to work on.

Im trying to help this guy out by saying that if he expects too much to quick he is going to seriously injure him self or even others in the process. I dont want to see any one get hurt. I recomend that he just work on RIDING rather than the more advanced techniques.

[RJ]

Aaron Colton worked his way up he didnt just jump on a huge bike and start scrapin around. Sorry but you are wrong he jumped on his dads bike and 30 min. later he was scrapin. He is one of the rare ones . I bought a crf 50 that is how I learned rear break and throtle control. But like Mosh said it takes practice and a lot of it . I have a friend that has done great in the Stunt sean , all he ever did was practice every day. And he is doing great things now. Practice

[Fictionnn]

Sorry but you are wrong he jumped on his dads bike and 30 min. later he was scrapin. He is one of the rare ones . I bought a crf 50 that is how I learned rear break and throtle control. But like Mosh said it takes practice and a lot of it . I have a friend that has done great in the Stunt sean , all he ever did was practice every day. And he is doing great things now. Practice

yeah after mastering a 50 which is way harder to BP and hold that a big bike.

Those little 50s are the best training tool for anyone interested in stunting.

dont tell me he jumped on a bike and was a pro cause that is BULLSH!T

[TAZZ0515]

i got this philosophy from watching my son play with his toy motorcycle that rides wheelies..the wind up kind.When it takes off it rides fine till it slows down a little then it dumps and the plastic rider guy falls off and bike crashes......pretty simple concept i would say

LOL For some reason I can't stop laughing at dis 1... I think im just imagining him teaching a group of people and the plastic guy just falls off LOL :Yelrotflm

[ninjastunter]

LOL For some reason I can't stop laughing at dis 1... I think im just imagining him teaching a group of people and the plastic guy just falls off LOL :Yelrotflm
that would be halarous ! im gona bring em to breakfast sometime and he can show ya before we ride out.

[ninjastunter]

i came up with it ! buy my son a 50,practice on it,give it to him when he is bigger ! why didnt i think of that earlier......then when he sees me bp i can say <son i started out on this same bike>

[mosh69]

i came up with it ! buy my son a 50,practice on it,give it to him when he is bigger ! why didnt i think of that earlier......then when he sees me bp i can say <son i started out on this same bike>
That's a great idea!
Fictionn I wasn't saying anything that wasn't true bro!!
You jumped all over Adam for even attempting to stunt with 8,ooo miles.
And compared him to you. I simply pointed out the difference in everyone.
My biggest point though was guys thinking they're gonna get anywhere and complaining they're not when they don't take the time to make stuntdays, or make serious practice time. Cause it takes ALOT!!!!!

[Fictionnn]

i came up with it ! buy my son a 50,practice on it,give it to him when he is bigger ! why didnt i think of that earlier......then when he sees me bp i can say <son i started out on this same bike>


see now thats a great idea

[ninjastunter]

8.5 K of experiance WTF!!!

dude you shouldnt even be trying to wheelie yet. you dont even know your own bike yet. I have been riding for 3 years and i still cant even "properly" do a wheelie (im getting better but still).

Why dont you take a break and LEARN other aspects of riding before you go and kill your self.

Not tryin to be rude but you are new to this sport and as much as you think you know trust me when i tell you that you have A LOT more to learn.
i would give it up if i couldnt bp in 3yrs ,i understand the learn new aspects part your speaking of....take a break=na

[Reckless01]

Ok now that that's out of the way LETS do wheelies! Who's with me?

[ninjastunter]

Ok now that that's out of the way LETS do wheelies! Who's with me?
ill try,you do em

[Reckless01]

Deal!